I’ve never felt pressured to have sex on the third date, or felt that any guy I was with expected it just because they paid for dinner, etc. I publicly applaud the men I’ve gone out with for never making me feel that way, and thank them for their gentlemanly ways.
That being said, I think that kissing, like sex, needs to be mutually decided upon. I recently had a pleasant dinner out with someone. We laughed and joked but we both agreed why we would not work out as a couple. So it should have been clear, right? But at the end of the date, as we were standing by our cars and I reached out to give him a friendly hug, he held me tight and would not let me go until he kissed me.
I pulled back and tried to laugh it off, quickly opening my car door and jumping inside.
“No more kissing!” I cried out, wagging my finger at him.
He held the door so I couldn’t close it, reached inside and said, “Just one more on the cheek – just the cheek!”
And he grabbed my face and despite me saying “No! No!” insisted on kissing my cheek before finally backing off so I could shut the door.
I exclaimed, “I’m out of here!”
I quickly drove off, feeling like maybe I should have been ruder or more serious, but I had defaulted to joking or laughing, my usual response to uncomfortable situations.
A friend of mine had been on several dates with the same guy, so I asked her if he ever did it to her.
“He was an aggressive kisser is what I would say.” She answered. “Never hurtful, just always wanting to kiss and not shy about trying. Makes it hard to know when to push back. . .Does that make sense? Very alpha, take charge. Which is nice some times, just not every time.”
I thought for a moment before typing back.
“It makes sense, but it’s not okay. He shouldn’t be doing that. I feel like I can’t go out with him again because I can’t trust him not to respect my personal space.”
“It was one of my issues too,” she replied. “. . . He’s a nice guy, just not for me and apparently not for you. I think we both like a little give and take rather [than a] constant demand without checking with us.”
So how does one fix this? Ideally, I’ve been on dates where I have given a clear signal that holding my hand or kissing me would be okay (like leaning in with a smile) and my date has understood that, and it worked out well. I’ve also been on dates where the man has asked permission every step of the way – holding my hand, giving me a hug, kissing me, etc. Sometimes that can seem awkward and clunky, but at least both of us know it is okay to proceed.
As a woman, and maybe a more retro version of one, I don’t want to be the move-maker all the time. I want to be romanced and charmed and flattered and flirted with. I like to know that someone wants me.
By wanting to be in that role, does that mean I’ve increased my chances of the Alpha Male domination? Maybe. I don’t have a clear cut answer for how to change my ways to decrease my odds and still be in a role where the man is not emasculated, left waiting for me to make all the moves.
I don’t think it’s easy for the man to be the one who extends himself for possible rejection. I know it’s rough to put yourself out there.
This is not one of my pithy, “Look what I just figured out” stories. I don’t have an answer for this one. It is just something that frustrates me.
Definitely not okay. You said no. You pulled away, You weren’t dating, Had already nixed the romance aspect. NOT OKAY. I hope the next person he tries that on decks him.
Oh, this is not okay! Dude needs some guys to pull him aside and tell him it ain’t okay.
Not your fault. This dude is a rapist waiting to happen (maybe not waiting).
Hey lady! I’m glad the evening didn’t end in a much worse place. But I’m going to put a thought out there…..historically, Western women have not had a place of equality in society at large or their homes…the traditional, retro role of a woman pretty much IS to succumb to these types of pressures, or stay in a place where another man could protect you from this type of suitor. Traditional men, if they were to succeed or fail grandly, needed to be alpha and fairly driven by personal desires. Today this dynamic has been romanticized in many ways. It’s not a good type of relationship for everyone. But it IS perfectly okay for some. How do we all respect different needs and views on love and power in relationships without shaming others? How do we date and figure these things out sooner so that everyone is happier?
I read this with my mouth agape. Lip rape.
Why is the world was he even considering kissing you AFTER you decided you wouldn’t work as a couple? That’s weird.
It sounds like you’re typically able to strike that balance when you’re with people who are respectful of your boundaries and care about your consent. Homeboy clearly wasn’t one of those guys, and that’s his issue– not yours. I don’t care how “alpha male” a dude wants to be; it is NOT ok for his desires to take precedence over yours. And I’ll be more than happy to tell him that 🙂